James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.29 10:16:00 -
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I broke my falcon in a fleet, and haven't replaced it. Ditto the rook.
I've not flown a scorp much more than to confirm that it sucks, since Revelations.
ECM ships were, IMO, already balanced - they could jam pretty well, but the trade off was that they did pitiful damage, and didn't have a tank.
Now, they do pitiful damage, don't have a tank, and don't jam very well either.
I've not seen many scorpions flying with a fleet, especially since the Rokh became worth using.
Falcons have been put on the back burner to buzzards, since their only real advantage was being able to jam things to make their escape, and a probe bonus is much more useful.
Rooks? Never really saw many rooks, but now... naah even less. Jamming strength is about on a par with a scorpion - the extra strength countered by the fact that it has 2 lows, where the scorp has 4.
And the blackbird/griffin? Well, actually they're not bad fleet ships still. But mostly because it's traditional to shoot them first, and they're fairly cheap to replace.
I have seen haulers tanking scorpions, let alone battleships.
These ships have gone from 'acceptable tradeoff' of ECMs for any real firepower at all. I suppose the Rook does ok, when maxed out recon ships, it does the same damage as a caracal.
Then again, if you're just going to fit RSDs (which lets face it, the only reason we weren't getting RSD whining was that ECMs were easier to use, nothing to do with their relative power) then the caracal is probably a better bet. Few less slots, but eminently more disposable as a ship.
I remain of the opinion, that ECM ships were not overpowered before Kali. They were built, and 'prenerfed' with ECM in mind. Thus they are fat, slow, have no firepower and no tank to speak of. If you have a chance of being a jammer ship without just dying first time you fail a cycle, then that's a tradeoff that some would make.
Scorp fit used to include a plate, a repper, a damage control, and maybe a hardener, or perhaps a sensor backup or signal amplifier.
That isn't actually enough to 'tank' the firepower of a couple of frigates, since you can't run that repper sustainably. But it's enough to RLF if you do get lit up.
I can honestly say I've not seen a rook, falcon or BB in space since revelations (apart from my falcon, which I flew in fleet, broke it, and bought a buzzard to replace it)
I've seen 1 scorp, and that's only because the pilot didn't have a rohk available.
Surely that's an indicator that there's something wrong here?
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